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| Big issue over small tissue. Lakshmi finally got a chance to make it big and this seemed the only way to escape from Shiva. We can take a moralistic stand and say she should not have agreed - but from Lakshmi's point of view "what is one night in a lifetime of fame and success?" The casting couch exists in Bollywood and Tollywood - but it is generally hushed up. Lakshmi could have requested her parents for more time; but it might have been difficult to get a modelling break later. She is in a catch -22 situation - damned if you do and damned if you don't! I feel she should give the man what he wants and realise her ambitions. Sharada |
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| Sridhar I guess to realize her dream, Lakshmi should go ahead and indulge that man who can atleast give her an identity and a standing , instead of getting married to a man with whom she has to sleep night after night and feel like a corpse. when you help a fellow up the steep hill and you too get nearer the top yourself...thats the best option. ambika |
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| I do agree that this lakshmi is caught between the devil and the deep-sea. Of course she could decide to sleep with one guy for a lifetime of name and fame. We must remember Public Memory is short-lived and when there are so many new faces ready to bare and dare to get to the top can Lakshmi compete with such boldness – keeping in mind her background. Then, is she sure its gonna be for just one night?? What if it becomes a series of nights?? What is her ultimate aim – not to marry Shiva because of his behaviour?? If she can compromise once then she can always do it twice, thrice and so on…. And at one point she would be no better than Shiva. At this rate Lakshmi would become an emotional wreck – hopping between star hotels seeking clients??? Will her family ever accept her?? She’ll loose her family’s support and all the respect and at the end of 10 years when her beauty withers, will she ever be able to lead a normal life; now that she has stained herself ??????? Let’s find another solution – what if she marries Shiva????????? she'll fulfil her parents wish and has gained her family's support forever. I look at her to be a beautiful housewife – when Shiva has all the beauty at home, why will he ever look at other woman ? Lakshmi’s love and affection might change Shiva and put him to the right path and we’ll never know – he might become the most lovable husband to Lakshmi. Even otherwise, Lakshmi still will be looked at with respect and she’ll have a place in society and she’ll have maybe her kids and family to relate with. She may now try to fulfil her dreams thru her kids… I do agree Marriage is not the ultimate; but the stain of sleeping with someone is something u just can't get over - call it the human stain........As the saying goes, You can't run from yourself, because wherever you go, there you are, Or even better she can just get away from her family and do what she wants in her own pace - I'm just not able to agree to this sleeping business. I personally feel its very difficult for a woman to take such an extreme step and when she can do that then I feel she is strong enough to convince her parents about her dreams. Even better is to get away from her family and MAYBE AFTER FEW MONTHS OR YEARS WHEN SHE MAKES IT BIG - I'M SURE THE FAMILY WILL REALISE HER POTENTIAL AND DEFINITELY JOIN HER /SUPPORT HER then on.....
__________________ Meena SMILES GO MILES Last edited by Induslady; 4th October 2005 at 09:04 AM. |
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| Believe me, Meena, at one stage I started to think that this Lakshmi was 'too right', so there were no controversial replies. I thought perhaps our members even decided that there is not enough controversy in this Lakshmi to merit a hot debate. But you have started it. Thanks. As you rightly pointed out that this 'sleeping' thing will not stop with one night. My friends in the film-world say that when a fresh woman comes to the movie they tell her that it's enough if she sleeps once with the producer/director; she'll be the queen. But she ends up sleeping with the financier, the assistant director .. there's no end to the list. By agreeing to sleep with Raj Lakshmi has clearly crossed the line and has chosen for her a different set of values. This 'sleeping around' will become a way of life for her as it has become for many women in similar fields. But what's the alternative? A worthless, womanising, drunkard-husband with no peace at home and no scope for fulfilment. Now it boils down to this - what's more important in life - the moral principles or happiness and fulfilment. Whether one can sacrifice the former for the sake of the latter? Meena, I would love to give a categorical answer to this question, but I can't. May be later in life Lakshmi might feel that she should have taken the other route. Or if she had refused to sleep with Raj and had married Shiva she might have later regretted her decision. We can't say anything now. Let the discussion go on. regards, sridhar |
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| In my view, it all boils down to one thing. What do one feel about oneself. If Lakshmi thinks she has that self righteousness, self esteem and moral bindings, if she takes the path of sleeping with Raj, then she has doomed herself. Whatever be the desire, or whatever be the carrot dangled, if she leaves her self to acquire that, it is just a matter of time that she is going to regret it. You will never get back the self respect, once it is forfeited. And nothing is worth it. As it is only TIME which will catch up on her, and eat her from within. Her life is finished. On the other hand, there is always the other possibility. She can perserve herself, her self respect and esteem even if Shiva does't reform. But she can give one hell of a try to achieve that. And if she succeeds, it will bring her more joy than any fame can bring. I feel lakshmi should not be short-sighted in her persuance of happiness. Materialistic things, fame, lime-light is all short lived. A mature mind will think of long term effects. A mature mind will think of effects on one-self than what others' has to say. Your comments, please.
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| Meena, a very forceful argument from your end. Self-esteem, moral bindings are all okay. But see the harsh reality. If she does not succeed in her career she has to marry a drunkard, a worthless husband. Then also her life would be doomed. It will be even more difficult to preserve her self-esteem when she married a person like Shiva - always drinking, probably abusive also and a good for nothing lazy rich fellow. Lakshmi reforming Shiva is okay - when it appears in the story books like the famous story The Beauty and The Beast. In fact women knowingly marrying abusive men hoping to reform them is termed by psychologists as The Beauty And The Beast Syndrome. If Lakshmi had voluntarily decided to sleep with Raj with no such force of circumstances then we can preach her morality. But considering the choices she has - one is the devil and the other is the deep sea - we can't preach morals to her. We can only give our sympathies to her. Between the devil and the deep sea she has chosen the deep sea in the hope that some ship might one day come and rescue her. The chances of reforming a devil and converting it into a human being, if not an angel, is far more slim than being rescued by a ship in the deep sea. Another point I want to add is that Lakshmi has done this for her happiness. She has done this to preserve her identity as a woman, to preserve her self-worth which will definitely be lost when she becomes a doormat of a wife to Shiva. Suppose marrying Shiva compulsion is not there and Lakshmi has done this, then you can accuse her of moral depravity and selfishness. But under the circumstances... yes Meena.. Lakshmi deserves at least our understanding if not our acceptance. Let the arguments continue sridhar |
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| Hello Sridhar, Maybe I'm over-reacting to this Lakshmi. Have a reason, Sridhar. Just last week, met a friend whose SIL is a gynaecologist in a small district in Karnataka. This what happened in their clinic. One day a man brought his wife for HIV test but he never underwent the same and when the result came negative; he became a little argumentative and asked them to repeat the test. The poor wife was pregnant and she never bothered to even know what was happening. she looked happy and proud with a glow on her face that pregnancy had gifted her. The gynae calmed him and explained it was a very important test that there can never be a mistake from their lab. The man walked out without a word. He showed up again after a fortnight or so and asked the doc to perform the HIV test on his wife. This time again its negative. But the lab technicians and the Doctor become so curious as to why he was doing this to his wife ?? Everybody thought this guy doubted his wife's fidelity, etc. Do u know why he got his wife tested, Sridhar?????????? not because he doubted her but because he is HIV positive. He wants to make sure she also gets infected with it so when he does fall sick, he'll have her around to help him... If she comes to know about it then there are chances that she might leave him.... HOW SELFISH CAN A HUMAN BECOME?????????? JUST IMAGINE A MAN TRYING HIS BEST TO GET HIS PREGNANT WIFE INFESTED WITH HIV. The best part is he'll never show up to the same clinic again because now he knowS his wife will be informed. When such is the world around, how can Lakshmi sleep with someone whom she just knows maybe just a few days and a man for whom sleeping around is a norm?????????? If Lakshmi's parents are so stubborn to push her to the jaws of death (both are killing her according to me) - why can't she just get away from their clutches.. There's another true story - here again the parents force their 20 + daughter to marriage . Here the parents wants to get rid of their responsibilities as early as they can because they had another younger daughter in line. The elder one was too good academically and was sure to get into a good, secure, well-paid job. She was never interested in marriage - not that she had any bad experiences but just that she thought she can NEVER put up with such responsibilities of running a house or taking care of kids; she felt its not her cup of tea - it was a simple straight forward reason which irked her relatives.. I don't know how she handled this situation but came to know she found a job in Mumbai and just moved away from her family. The whole family cursed her for not listening to them but today she is doing so fine and flies a couple of times to US in a month and has a busy life and is very happy - the same elders who cursed she would face the worst in life, today go and spend time in her apartment and are all praises for her. In the meanwhile the second daughter got married and she is also well settled with a good husband and has 2 sons. CAN'T LAKSHMI HAVE OTHER OPTIONS, PLEASE???????????????????? JUST CAN'T SEE WOMEN SUFFER................
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| I almost cried on seeing your HIV story. Human beings forced to the corner behave far worse than a cat in a similar situation. The other girl in your story fortunately had a happy story to tell. But consider this Lakshmi. She has already cut a deal with her father. That if she did not get the assignment she would marry Shiva. Given these circumstances she found all her escape routes cut off and has agreed to sleep with Raj. Contrary to what most people think the actresses, models and even prostitutes are not sex-maniacs. Their sex-drives will be far less than those of house-wives. But they are forced, compelled and at times even raped by the circumstances. I read Sujatha's popular story. A beautiful 40 year old woman is hellbent on making her daughter an actress. She meets the director/producer of the film. The Director sets his eye on her. The Director asks the daughter and her father (the lady's husband) to wait in the lobby while he could discuss something important with the girl's mother. Left in privacy the Director says if you sleep with me I'll let your daughter act. The lady to the shock of the readers agrees. The daughter gets a chance. But at least there was no compulsion but plain greed. But in Lakshmi's case it was survival, her only saving grace from a marriage that would be otherwise hell. So... let's see what others have to say on this regards. sridhar |
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| Hello, I agree with Meena only......somehow arguing from a woman's point of view, the sleeping around with every Tom , Dick and Harry is not worth it....isn't it better off with Shiva....and for all you know she has the full support and respect from her parents. I am sure her parents are not going to see her in tears and shame and will definetely try to make Shiva behave. If not also , Lakshmi has the option of running to them anytime . She should be in the long run better off and safer with known devil(shiva) than ALONE in the unknown , dark world! After all even from the place where Laksmi comes from cannot be so uncivilised as they sometime potray in the films.
__________________ Love, sudha “Dreams are like stars...you may never touch them, but if you follow them they will lead you to your destiny.” |
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