Destiny or Fate?

Dear Anandchitra,
I do not believe in destiny or fate.One's destiny is in one's willingness to work for one's s progress in life.I do not believe in fate.I detest that word.The word fate puts us back and would not allow youngsters to put their best efforts to come up in life.
love
mithila kannan

Hiya Ansuya,

Glad you liked the poem. It is my fave too. Life is different to each & every person.

It was nice to reading your opinion. It helps me know about different opinions.

After all, a healthy discussion prevents us from developing a "frog in the well" mentality.

When I say destiny, I do not mean that we take life as it is & do not take any action. Why is it Ansuya some people struggle to change their circumstances where as other take it as it is?

Destiny has nothing to do with religion. Destiny is what you are. Put in your efforts & the results will speak for themselves. Hence the example of the "Rags to riches" story. Destiny has been twisted by the clergy in every religion to control the masses.

As regards to your query of suicides/battered spouses, mere inaction by taking refuge under the guise of destiny is not correct. That is called escapism.

Once again, thanks for taking time off to read my viewpoint.

Now please go back to sleep. I do not want to see dark circles under your eyes on your lovely face.

Regards,

Corallux

Dear Chitra
Good writing.
One may or may not believe in destiny But whatever course one's life take ,there is something ,some guiding force which shape it, may call it destiny or fate.
But this shouldnot prevent one from "karam" as is said in bhagvad geeta ,Good Karam can change or disign good destiny.
This is also sung in a hindi film song -
Tadbeer se bigadi hui takdeer banale .
Khud pe bharosa hai to yeh Jam utha le.
( meanig by efforts & work one can change one's destiny,if one believes in oneself every task can be acomplished.
Regards

Originally Posted by corallux

Oh yes, I believe Destiny rules us.
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Not all of us can live like William Earnest Henley the poet who wrote, "Invictus". The last verse says :

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.

Even for this poem to come out of the poet's pen, destiny must have pushed him to compose this poem.

Regards,

Corallux

Corallux
Its interesting to read your line Destiny rules us and it can be altered by good karma.
In my limited knowledge, I think the effects of karma can be felt only in the next birth.
If we are predestined to certain actions or circumstances then why should we try hard or work hard to alter a preset course.
For example, a good student enters a professional life hoping and imagining to have a successful career. By success here its just to retain a job and make the payscale for that position.
Circumstances do not favor success and he/she loses job.
So if this person knew he/she would remain without a job or not succeed in a job then why would that person put in all the effort in the first place?
Like you say you do open a Pandora's box but look how interesting our posts are going and how intriguing is Ansuya's disagreement too!!

Here 's the poem:
OUT of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

Thanks to Corallux for bringing it here:)

Originally Posted by Ansuya

Hello, Corallux!

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Like I've said before, though, we need to guard against assuming that what we do makes no real difference to the course of our lives because
Ansuya

The most significant aspect of this interpretation is how we align our minds to results. When luck or circumstances do not favor a course of action, we cowardly call it fate or destiny.
In reality it could be any number of things. Many tend to lean on the paper tower of destiny and thereby do not put forth ACTION.

Originally Posted by iyerviji

Dear Anandchitra

We should try hard to get what we want and if we are destined
to get , we will get it. We have an astrologer who is our
neighbour. He does match making . He wont match the horoscopes
until 10 porutam is there. He not only sees the present situation
but sees about the future also. Many people believe in him and
give the horoscopes to match. But some say he does not match
any horosocope and give so why go to him. One friend of mine
also used to say if u depend on him for getting your daughter
married , u daughter will benever married. I told her the astrologer
is not God and if a person is destined to be married at that time
the astrologer cant stop it. By some way the person will be
married. When my daughter got married I told her see he only
matched the horoscope and gave and she is married. Whatever we
will get it but we have to work hard for it also and without working
shoud not say I was not destined for it.

viji

Viji
You have raised a pertinent observation with respect to WORK .. Like you say even if one is married one cannot sit back and assume its going to be smooth sailing .. one has to work in different ways.. maybe more adjusting is reuqired .. This also applies in other situations too.

Yes I do agree with ANasuya...its very amazing expressions by her.
But anything in life like Faith,destiny or astrology it just upbrings power which is underlying with us which we dont know. So believing or not is as per one's own choice, Just live life as you want!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by mithila kannan

Dear Anandchitra,
I do not believe in destiny or fate.One's destiny is in one's willingness to work for one's s progress in life.I do not believe in fate.I detest that word.The word fate puts us back and would not allow youngsters to put their best efforts to come up in life.
love
mithila kannan

Mithila
well said.. I can assume that you brought up your daughters with best principles and not with superstitions and so they must be successful too..
If a person does not get caught up with all these thoughts on destiny and fate they will most likely put out their best foot forward at all times!

Chitraji,

You have referred that the marriages have something to do with the luck or destiny.
It is said that the 'Pairs' are made in the heaven, in advance. But since the day of my marriage i have serious doubts about the functioning of the 'match Making Department' of the heaven. There is something wrong in that department !!! Cheer.

Nothing is mightier than the hard efforts; and the luck helps only those who dares to put their boats in the stormy oceans.

Originally Posted by jaishree9

Dear Chitra
Good writing.
One may or may not believe in destiny But whatever course one's life take ,there is something ,some guiding force which shape it, may call it destiny or fate.
But this shouldnot prevent one from "karam" as is said in bhagvad geeta ,Good Karam can change or disign good destiny.
This is also sung in a hindi film song -
Tadbeer se bigadi hui takdeer banale .
Khud pe bharosa hai to yeh Jam utha le.
( meanig by efforts & work one can change one's destiny,if one believes in oneself every task can be acomplished.
Regards

Well said Jaishree. Yes one must work hard and towards one's life and success.