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Default Story of family of 5....please comment.

This is a real life story of my close friend. I have her permission to bring it to you but will not reveal the names. Please express your thoughts after reading through.

There is a family with mother,father,one son and two daughters.
Father has a decent job,middle class income and mother is a housewife.
Son is the eldest of the siblings and then there are 2 daughters. The father is a socially very active person involved in all kinds of social service,clubs and gatherings. Mother is a person who loves to be at home always though she does not like to do the housework. She is an excellent cook but very lazy to take good care of the 3 kids and maintain the house. She has a maid always to help her. Now, out of these kids the son is smarter in his grades because he is hard working. Elder daughter is kind of lazy and laid back person. She is a mediocre in studies while the younger one again is hard working just like her brother. They return home from school and after snacking go out to play. Once home all 3 sit to do their work but the elder daughter cannot concentrate. Her thoughts keep wandering off.
She somehow completes her HW since she has to do it. She needs help sometimes with her HW but other than her bossy brother there is no one in the house who can help her out especially with math and science. Father is always busy with his society work and club work otherwise also he is busy chatting with his friends....sometimes they are so loud the kids cannot just do their work peacefully and so dont bother to do it anyways. All the time these kids listen to their dad debating with the others in the adjoining room and sometimes even participate for which the father never stops.Father never asks them to go and do their work. He does not believe in sitting with the kids while they study....may sound absurd to parents nowadays but thats how father was. He actualy like the elder daughter debating with grown ups on politics, economy etc etc. The mom finishes her cooking for dinner and goes off for a short nap. Now, the elder daughter does not want to ask the dad to help her since the dad always assigns the work to her big brother anyway.
Time went on like this. The kids passed school though the elder daughter always a mediocre. The brother went into professional courses and became very successful in life while the younger sister too became qualified much more than the elder sister. Now, the elder sister always has the guilt that she has not concentrated on her work all through out her life otherwise she too would have been equally qualified like her bro and sis. She got her degree while bro and sis did their professional degrees and are both post graduates. Though the elder daughter is married and husband is a nice guy but she feels she has not been guided properly. Now, the father's policy of letting the kids bloom on their own did work with the other two kids but not with this daughter. She blames though not openly her dad for not guiding her enough or more so not even asking her to get good grades and identifying her weak areas and arranging some tuition to improve her grades. She blames mom for being very lazy and confining herself to the kitchen or to dad's orders always.
Even after a happy marriage and wonderful kids when she looks back she feels she has wasted all those precious days when she should have been more concentrating on her work but what can she do now. She was a pre teen and a teenager then and so got away thinking she got the best parents who do not bother about her studies and dont insist on her excelling in them.


It is too late now....she says. She takes her life as a lesson to concentrate on her kids. The guilt of not accomplishing in academics though still haunts her from time to time.


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Adara,
First of all, tell your friend that "Past is Past". Instead of worrying about what her folks didn't do and ruining her perfectly good present, ask her to let go. They followed a parenting style that they thought would work. Unfortunately they didn't recognize that your friend needed extra attention. No point in blaming them now, years later. It's definitely a learning experience, she will probably ensure she pays attention to her kids needs and modify her parenting style accordingly. I've in fact felt that my Mom could have been more sensitive to our emotional needs growing up but I don't blame her for it. She did the best she could given her situation. My Dad was always away and she single handedly raised us most of the time. In my early twenties I always felt that Mom was not being our friend and not preparing us for things in life. Now, I'm almost in her situation and I understand exactly what she went through raising us all alone when Dad was away. She didn't have the support system that I have today so I always thank her for doing everything she DID for me and my sibling. Today I try to provide the support and try to be there for my LO but I know my LO will grow up and find something that I have not been great at and work on incorporating that as she mothers her children.
Ask her to not feel guilty for something she cannot change and try doing better with her kids.
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Thanks Laks for your advise. Will surely pass on to her each comment and advise as I get from this wonderful set of ladies here.



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Hi Adara
I agree with Laks's advice.
Tell your friend to learn from the "mistakes" of her parents and do a better job with her children. We all go through a phase where we think our parents are the absolute best and then second-guess every thing they did for a while before balance sets in.

Though her father did not focus on her academics, he still encouraged and must have honed her conversational skills. This she may not have realized since it doesn't look as obvious as her siblings' glittering CVs. Academics are an important part but it is not everything about life and learning doesn't stop with academic education.

Your friend has entered a good phase where she wants to improve herself. Ask her to identify areas she can improve upon currently and work on those..she is sure to come out content and self-confident a few years from now!
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Hi Adara

I agree with Krithiks, it is never late to study or learn new thing. If your friend feel she couldnt study earlier, she can do it now, it is never too late for anything, and imagine the sense of achievement she will have, when she actually finish, some profesisonal course, or anything she likes she takes up now as challenge.

Human pyschology states that we need to be challenged and when we face the challenge and finish the task, the Sense of Achievement is much higher than in normal course of work.

So let your friend think over and choose a curriculum or course of her choice and work on it and come out with flying colors, it will also boost her confidence when she compare her vis-a-vis with her siblings.

And last but not least, hats off to you, since u have taken time out to solve your friends problem.
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Thanks Krithik....you made an excellent point...her dad has encouraged her conversational skills which really is doing her good even without her knowledge because right now in our kids school, when the school needs parent volunteers for organizing anything I always see her name and email telling she will take up the role. She has excellent leadership qualities too.

Thank you radsahana for complimenting on my efforts towards my friend. I am trying to do what a friend can do.
As for pursuing her academics furthur, even I talked to her about that and finally I find she is not inclined towards it now any more. Her hubby also does not push her on this. She worked for few years and now is happy staying home. I think only when that 'something' hits her she starts cribbing about her past. She said she was preparing for medical entrance and her parents did not even bother to arrange any coaching ( seeing her performance in class was not that good, not that she opened her mouth and asked that she needed) for her since her brother went into professional college without any coaching. She says her dad thinks he has successfully raised all the kids but she thinks she is a misfit. According to her doing professional degrees is what success is all about and now she has crossed that age to become a doctor!

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her dad has encouraged her conversational skills which really is doing her good even without her knowledge because right now in our kids school, when the school needs parent volunteers for organizing anything I always see her name and email telling she will take up the role. She has excellent leadership qualities too.
I hope she realizes how important it is to have leadership qualities??? If she does not, then it is your job to let her know this. I know of many an academic who has ZERO people skills and fails miserably in any job that requires strong 'soft' skills or demands that they successfully coordinate, and, lead, a group of people as a TEAM. Your friend's father may not have sat her down and tutored her in math or science, but he honed her leadership and people skills, and, for this, she must be eternally grateful to him.

She also needs to back off from playing the blame-game where her mother is concerned. The lady did the best she could, given her resources, and, considering her own situation and limitations at the time. Your friend may perceive her mother to have been 'lazy', but if this was truly the case, then that home would have gone to shreds. It takes a LOT of work to run a home, raise three kids, and, frequently be called upon to entertain your husbands' friends almost every single day. I don't know about you, but whenever my DH announces that so-and-so is coming to dinner, or when I invite people over, I spend almost the entire day cleaning the house and cooking for the guests and hardly have a moment to breathe. Add in two young kids to the mix and I can fully see what her mother was dealing with, especially if entertaining, and playing host, to her husband's numerous friends and debate buddies was *not* an option for the lady at all.

The way I see it, both parents did their best. Maybe it wasn't an ideal situation for a child who needed motivation and lacked self-discipline but when you think about how much worse it could have been - depressed / abusive / negligent parents making her live in poverty etc, your friend did not really have it as badly off as she believes that she did. She needs to wake up and realize this first.


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She said she was preparing for medical entrance and her parents did not even bother to arrange any coaching ( seeing her performance in class was not that good, not that she opened her mouth and asked that she needed) for her since her brother went into professional college without any coaching. She says her dad thinks he has successfully raised all the kids but she thinks she is a misfit. According to her doing professional degrees is what success is all about and now she has crossed that age to become a doctor!
Are her parents supposed to have been mind-readers? If she needed extra help, then the onus was on her to have asked for extra help. She was 16 / 17 at the time, wasn't she? Not a 1-yr-old who was unable to express any needs!

If she thinks - despite the accomplishments she has under the belt - that she is a misfit, then she is suffering from a very low self-esteem and needs counseling. While your intention, as a friend, to help her is admirable, you cannot do much because she needs counseling from a professional. You may temporarily pep her up, but it will only last for a little while. The second that something 'hits' her (as you put it), she is going to go right back to the woe-is-me frame of mind.

As for her argument that she is TOO old to become a doctor, my dear Adara, please let her know that one is NEVER too old to become ANYTHING, especially if one is living in a Western country. I am no young chit, and I am back in school to pursue a degree in a field that I have ALWAYS loved but never had a chance to dabble in back when I was a young girl in India. I see some 50-year-olds in my class, women whose children have grown, who have been SAHMs for years and years and years, some of whom are even GRANDMOTHERS, shift away from the "Mommy" mode, and move into the "career-woman" mode. In fact, a couple of them are great inspirations for me. Every time I feel flagged down, want to throw in the towel, and wonder if I'm too old to be doing "this" (with two young kids to boot, at that), these women pep me up and get me going again.

If she's REALLY adamant about it, then all she has to do is to pull herself together, get back to school and go after that medical degree. But, from what you write, I get the feeling that your friend is not really any more motivated - academically - today than she was when she was a young child. That's probably just her personality and there is nothing wrong with it. However, she does need to stop feeling as if she has not achieved her full potential in life because (a) academia is not the be-all and end-all of everything and (b) she has other talents - important life-skills at that - that cannot be learned at any University, innate talents that even some post-doctorals do not have.

In short, she needs to stop feeling sorry for herself, get rid of the woe-betide-me attitude, and, while she is at it, hop off of the blame-train. She is too old, and too much of her own person, now to continue pointing her fingers at Mom & Dad anymore. Time for her to take some personal responsibility, so to speak. She's a big girl, now, and if it will take an M.D after her name to make her feel worthy, then she must go for it with everything that she has.

I wish her all the luck in the world.
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Have you heard of a middle child syndrome. I think your friend, like me, has it. I am a middle child and a journalist (that's what I am happiest doing )
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You know, Adara, the story you told brings to mind something that I have been thinking for a while - that of innate drive and initiative among siblings and its role in success.

I know several sets of siblings whose parents provided the same environment for their children but the children are at different levels of "success" because some were more driven and committed than the others. Granted, in the olden days, driven and committed exclusively means academic drive, but still i feel once the children are a bit older they bear some responsibility for their own destiny 9especially in this case, since it does not appear that the parents were hounding her to excel academically.

I agree with malyatha - she needs to forget the past, assess her qalities and strengths and find suitable avenues.

I assume your friend is in the US. This is a country where she is only limited by her dreams. Ask her to go and do whatever she wants to do - a course, some training, a job, and let her give her best.
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Malyatha:

to your post. I really admire the way you analyze each and every detail and then give your advise with that positive attitude always. I have already told my friend that I would be putting up her past here and she was OK with it and also I promised her that she could read every reply as it comes. So, today I am going to show her and ask her to read every detail very carefully.
Hope she gets what all of us are seeing so clearly. We will then have a talk on all of this and I will put in my best efforts but if I still feel that is not enough then will hunt for a counselor.

Thank a lot...
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