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Flowerlady- I realise I have to decide what I want. I would consider staying back if he moves to the new place, and steps up lifestyle, but that’s going to be an indefinite wait as he said ‘Whats the hurry., its not like we are being chucked out of this house’
aAlso, with his inconsistent attitude can I trust that things will always be nice. My career is important to me- im very good at it too. But they have NO VALUE for it. Normally people tell relatives and friends about daughter in law –that she has done this and has worked here/lived here-but my inlaws and my own husband have not said that to even close friends . Isn’t that bad? Does that happen with other IL ladies? I would certainly take pride in what my husband does, but that is never the reverse?

And he has emotionally blackmailed that no baby ever- if you want one, work it out. I don’t want one with you. Isn’t that insulting??

Another grudge I have is –he never visited or called my mother after marriage-we just completed one year of marriage. My mother and I have only each other- I only expect that he be a son to he, but he is no where close. That’s a big disappointment to me- he says does he talk to his own mother daily- but I say, you see them everyday. He doesn’t have time to ever take leave and go there but he will plan an adventure trip with his brother for 15 days fully soon!!

I am getting nothing out if being married- I had a better life before. Though I badly wanted a companion- hence I remarried , but I think I rushed –

Do you think I should go for counselling? My friend , who was here in the city and a big source of strength to me, is leaving and I am feeling so lost.
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Hello ,please dont feel lost . we are here for you !
Its a rare man who will brag or even tell anybody about his wifes achievements. If anybody else praises the wife even then they dont like it. My sincere advice to you is not to expect any encouragement from DH in your field of work and carry on regardless !!
Your DH does not want kids becuz it will mess up things further, many carry on with their miserable marriages becuz of kids, at least you are free to move on.
He should have talked to your mom ,that is basic courtsey.
You have a good career ,you can give some breathing time to your marriage and go abroad ,dont take any decision. It seems that your DH is not able to understand why you are not happy in his environment ! There seems to be a big gap between your lifestyles too.
This is a very common problem with most men, they expect the wife to adjust and be grateful for being married to them forever. They also cannot digest the fact that the wife has some expectations and dreams of her own.
You can try counselling , it will give you a better picture of the situation. You can go on your own if DH is not interested.

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Thank you Flowerlady, for the strength you are giving me. Yes, I am going to go to a counsellor as an only friend in the year that I have been new in the city-who was around for me for everything is leaving, so I am going to be alone in the city. I am going to talk to a counselor as I realise that with time I am becoming bitter and is also affecting my temperament at work and in general. that shouldnt be.

Guess, about career, I cannot expect anything from my in-laws and husband. They sa i am very demanding-when I expect very basic thing-which are no luxury now a days- and something he can very well afford. i know what his income is like- I also can and even said I will fit an AC in the room, to cite an example- to which the reply was- there is no need, we can do it-but we dont need it- if you want you can fix it and live alone in the room!!

I can go on and say more- but I guess that only makes me wallow in negativity. I guess I will learn some music and keep occupied. marriage is certainly only a PART of life. They blame my background of having split up parents and my own past broken marriage for my inability to live in a family.
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Please go for counselling, you will get some insight into your problems.
Why not get the AC and other things fitted on your own ? Things couldnt get worse. but you will be comfortable. If you can affort it and the electricity bills then you should get it done even for ILs room and not just your own. Maybe your DH does not like the idea of enjoying AC while his parents stay in a hot and humid room. You can make life easier for your aged ILs too since both you and DH earn well. These are the small things that can make you feel good and also give them pleasure.

Career is often a sore point between couples nowadays, its the wife generally who makes the sacrifice or there are problems galore. There are plenty of women who do not get positive support from DHs however good they may be at their job! Its the great male ego which refuses to accept the fact that the wife could be good at her work! Parents and even the girls relatives will praise her tiniest effort but the DH will keep his mouth zipped and may even say that the wife has become proud of her achievements.
Your past is being cited just to pull you down as your ILs feel that you have a superiority complex and find fault with their life style. Improve their lifestyle too and slowly they will feel that you care more than their own son!
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Flowerlady, Yes- I did feel that I could do something for the entire house, but it is almost like they don't want to go ahead with their lifestyle. Mt MIL said very openly that she would not even think of taking a taxi because my FIL would not like to and never would do so, even when he can afford. It is a forced style that they have impressed upon themselves.
It is the same with the AC. No matter how hot it gets, they would let the fan rip but not get anything like a cooler over that. I haven't been born in one and lived with one-so I dont need one is their attitude. My MIL is very content with what has been provided to her and never ever complains. She has lived in the city for 35 odd years and still has not seen the landmarks here- for example, if you lived in Delhi, it would be very odd to say after 30 years that you have never visited the Red fort. Hence, I am expected to do the same-How can I complain/ look forward to something when I should be accepting it is 'my husband, house and way of living' -in her own words i.e. How long will you say-'i am not used to crowded buses they say- Get used to it, that this is how I am going to live.
Isnt there something called progress- I find it harder because I had gone from good to better in life and now its back to minus levels after marriage.
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This very strange that your ILs do not want any changes! No girl would like this attitude and would feel like you do .
You can tell DH to make their life comfortable , I think it will be impossible to change their way of life , but this how most MILs think-We are happy like this with no amenities and you too better adjust !
How could your Dh marry you with his parents stuck in the past ? He must have argued and fought to marry you !! But now since he has, its his duty to provide the basic comforts to his wife. It has nothing to do with you or your upbringing. One cannot be stuck in the past, use none of the amenities , medicines or gadgets available today.
It would be a good idea to shift to the new house where you can set up your household according to your wishes, ask your Ils to shift with you.
You can take a taxi to work or buy a car . All things do not need the permission of ILs. I think that you are being bullied by them , you can tell DH to upgrade his lifestyle since both of you are earning. Its strange that they have a working DIL bringing in good money and they want her to live like a villager. Even girls from small places want a good life!
He must be scared that you will leave anyway and he will look like a fool ,so you should stop talking about going back and set up your house. Show them that you are here to stay , make necessary changes as needed and thats it.
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Flowerlady, Yes- I did feel that I could do something for the entire house, but it is almost like they don't want to go ahead with their lifestyle. Mt MIL said very openly that she would not even think of taking a taxi because my FIL would not like to and never would do so, even when he can afford. It is a forced style that they have impressed upon themselves.
It is the same with the AC. No matter how hot it gets, they would let the fan rip but not get anything like a cooler over that. I haven't been born in one and lived with one-so I dont need one is their attitude. My MIL is very content with what has been provided to her and never ever complains. She has lived in the city for 35 odd years and still has not seen the landmarks here- for example, if you lived in Delhi, it would be very odd to say after 30 years that you have never visited the Red fort. Hence, I am expected to do the same-How can I complain/ look forward to something when I should be accepting it is 'my husband, house and way of living' -in her own words i.e. How long will you say-'i am not used to crowded buses they say- Get used to it, that this is how I am going to live.
Isnt there something called progress- I find it harder because I had gone from good to better in life and now its back to minus levels after marriage.
princessashes,

Your mindset seemed to be modern and you seem to be an intelligent, relatively independent woman with a good head on your shoulders.

Everyone on this thread has given great advice.

However, I've been wondering about a few details you have given which gave me insight into the whole thing you're going through.

For example, you say that your MIL is a relatively simple woman with no regard or desire for things she consider 'luxurious' such as A/C. I know you might have been describing the general mentality of the household to further detail your husband's behaviour and what you are going through.

But in regards to your husband's family - it doesn't matter, does it. Let your MIL like whatever she wants. That's her prerogative.
If she doesn't like A/C, well good for her. But you do. So just ignore her imposing her views and agree to disagree.

I'm getting a vibe that they feel insecure and to a small degree, threatened by your independent spirit and the financial freedom you gain from your career which in one way or another, they might feel overshadows their son.
Perhaps your husband feels the same way too.
Perhaps this is why he has such a nonchalant, defensive attitude towards you.

That's why he says things like 'Go put A/C but stay in it yourself.'

I think what you can do is just put things more delicately to him. Most men, even non-Indian men, can get threatened by a woman's financial independence, especially if she earns close or more than him.
Sometimes they see it as an affront to their ability to provide. And of course, for many men, they see it as a challenge to their 'power', the 'power' they were brought up by their families (especially the traditional type of men) to believe they held over their wives and family.

For example, perhaps you have complained of your loss of standard of living to him and it made him feel very insecure.
While i understand it might have felt like a backward step for you, when you marry a fellow its the two of you together in one spirit to work together to a better life.
So you working and him working instead of seeing you two as separate individuals see yourselves as one spirit one body working together for a better life to create that better future for yourself which you might want to share with him.
Don't feel bad that he can't provide enough for you or pressurise him, instead encourage him. That way he will want to satisfy you because he see you believe in him to achieve something great than you just rubbing in his face that he can't achieve the standard of living you are used to.

So with the A/C for example, when you want to buy it, you can just say, "Oh I'm getting this so everyone can enjoy because my husband works hard the whole day and I respect you and want you to be comfortable so we can all share it."
Yes, everyone will know you bought it, but if you put it in a more delicate way they will accept that you bought it instead of see it as "oh this girl is trying to show off to us that she is better than us"

So, yes, maybe you felt that you rushed into this marriage but you're in it now so that doesn't matter. Never have regrets, whatever your choice, keep moving forward in any decision you make in a positive manner. If you think you did something wrong, learn from it, rectify it and progress further.

But you seem to be going in the right direction to trying to make it work for the both of you instead of just for him or just for you.
Positive thinking goes a long way, and I am glad you have come to a decision to give it a go to relocate abroad together (if not, you should try).

You can get stuff for yourself no problem, honestly, if you want to buy anything you want for the house, go ahead and get it. Why do you want to wait for his permission or approval before you get something?
Its you always wanting his permission, approval or acknowledgement of him to provide these things or you getting these things which made him perhaps mistake that you are complaining that he is a bad provider and perhaps he is resentful of it.

If he is still being selfish despite you trying to accommodate him, well, then perhaps its more of his personality than a reaction to a situation. You should probably reconsider your options.
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Why doesn't anyone tell the OP to adjust a bit herself too. She married this guy and started expecting a comfortable life from day one. It has been only one year since they got married and she has so many complaints. Smart women live in an "as is" mode for a few years and establish a good rapport with their hubbies before they start making demands for luxuries. If a husband loves his wife, he will make sure she is comfortable. But she needs to make herself "lovable" first.

She expects him to say he wants a baby when she wants one. But then he is also expected to wait until she really wants a baby. She also wants to move abroad very soon. Which guy would like to have a wife and a baby who live abroad while he lives in India with his parents?

Why get married in the first place then? Why not get married to a guy working abroad? Yes, career is definitely a very important thing but there are thousands of opportunities in India. Once you get married, you are making a commitment. As someone said in this thread, you can't have everything at the same time. drpreethis' wisdom would be much appreciated in this thread.

The OP might want to pick up a copy of "The Proper Care and Feeding of Marriage" by Dr. Laura.
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Thanks Abhirami and Lemon Lime for your replies- you have looked at it from a different light.
Lemon lime- while he was looking at relocating 2 years after our marriage ( which is Nov 2010) before our marriage- now he doesnt even think of it and says he wont because he has no family- nothing. he means the baby. He knows I am due to go back this year but has never asked me about it and does not like it.

Abhirami - wouldn't you think it is important for some basics to be met - like spending some basic time with the wife, having some basic comfort to make life better- I am not even taking about luxuries- a motorcycle is no luxury these days in big cities- a cooler at temperatures of 40 + degrees is also not a luxury.
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"Marriage is two people becoming one -- but which one?"
Differences in basic understanding leads to confusion.He is neither ready to change nor you.

One of my cousin is in exactly same situation like you. She is the only child and brought up well with luxuries but married into a household with bare necessities. She had some horoscope issues and was not getting married for a long time. This proposal came by and the parents overlooked many issues. Now her hubby wants her to adjust to his lifestyle. They have a daughter and the hubby wants the girl to be raised as per his standards. She took up a job in the same school where the daughter goes and spends money on what she wishes. She has the same complaints but no one is even ready to hear.

The same is happening with you.I only see two options- either you follow his way and dont complain OR follow your way and still dont complain. Now analyse by taking which decision you will be less hurt and proceed with caution.

You say theres a vast change in your lifestyle post marriage. Im trying to analyse this from the other angle. It is this way not only for you but also for him. While you have lost independence in making decisions, even he might feel at loss due to you who has lopsided his expectation of having a baby.WHile you might think, how good it would be if he changes, he might be thinking the same.
All the best.

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