Reservation based on caste

dear all,

inspired by Kitchuppa's post on my thread,"New india".I am starting this thread.
This is already a hot topic in our country.

THis reservation policy was started with a very good motive of increasing the literacy levels and for the upliftment of the communities.No doubt it could increase the literacy levels.

But now what is the status?Now barring economically backward people,all are literate.
THen what is the need for the caste based reservation policy?.
I think it is now the right time to put an end to the caste based reservation policy.

THe FC Category is the minority now.So only if the fc candidate get 100%,he would get seat in medical or engineering or he has to have plenty of money for donation.

If a person under Bc category gets more marks, he is shifted to OC and given first preference.
Why so much discrimination?

THere are economically backward people even in FC category.
Why can't it be "RESERVATION FOR ECONOMICALLY BACKWARD PEOPLE".

dear all think from your heart and share your views here.

Dear Kamala,
Great topic and i appreciate you for bringing this here.I would definitely say reservation shud be based on financial affordability than caste.I shud be that way only and none else.Nowadays there are more people coming in innova's and all the luxury cars available from a XYZ caste who get reservation!- doesnt make sense at all...Do u all think they cannot offer a payment or management quota engg seat in a college?? Its peanuts for them..On the other hand, we all shud also consider that there are poor and downtrodden people in the so termed" General Quota".

When people and politicians around say that India being so secular...blah blah.. it doesnt make sense with this kinda of system in place.

My take on this: Reservation shud be based only on the financial status of the people be it whatever caste they belong to.Govt. needs to support and bring up children/people who cannot actually afford.

Hi Krithika,
you bought up very sensitive topic to discuss .
I agree with your words 'RESERVATION FOR ECONOMICALLY BACKWARD PEOPLE'..
But for sure its not possible in our political democratic india..

regards,
ramyaganesh.

Thank you. Just see the results of the poll.8 people have voted against caste based reservation.But who is going to tie the bell?
After so many views, we could get only two replies.This is the present condition.

yes it is the truth. i have seen so many fc widow ladies working as cooks.THeir children have to help them to survive.They have little money or time to study.So getting 100% or joining private colleges is very difficult.If the reservation is based on financial status,they would also be benefitted and will get seats in govt colleges.

Thanks for posting your views here.

Originally Posted by aishu22

Dear Kamala,
Great topic and i appreciate you for bringing this here.I would definitely say reservation shud be based on financial affordability than caste.I shud be that way only and none else.Nowadays there are more people coming in innova's and all the luxury cars available from a XYZ caste who get reservation!- doesnt make sense at all...Do u all think they cannot offer a payment or management quota engg seat in a college?? Its peanuts for them..On the other hand, we all shud also consider that there are poor and downtrodden people in the so termed" General Quota".

When people and politicians around say that India being so secular...blah blah.. it doesnt make sense with this kinda of system in place.

My take on this: Reservation shud be based only on the financial status of the people be it whatever caste they belong to.Govt. needs to support and bring up children/people who cannot actually afford.

Dear ramya,

Yes,Who is to tie the bell? is the big question.
ONly the future generation should tell "We do not want Quota".

Will they tell?

Originally Posted by ramyaganesh

Hi Krithika,
you bought up very sensitive topic to discuss .
I agree with your words 'RESERVATION FOR ECONOMICALLY BACKWARD PEOPLE'..
But for sure its not possible in our political democratic india..

regards,
ramyaganesh.

Hi vkrithika,
I am happy to be instrumental to inspire you to open this thread. Really the need for such reservation policy based on economic status has come. Otherwise there will be continued brain drain from India.
If economic status based reservation comes into effect there are suitable ways to make it more meaningful. The total cross section consisting of all the castes will get benefited, if they qualify for a minimum requirement on their academic record.
With the introduction of voters card the ID of every individual can be traceable and can be put on to the network to completely trace his status in society. If Govt. and Politicians are serious this can be done within a span of a sensus period. There will be full willingness of all the public since the real needy will be benefited and there are more people still under the poverty line. Probably this will increase the percentage of voting during our election.
In the present system of reservation only creamy layer of backward who got the benefits repeatedly get more and more benefits and this is not understood by the really needy backward people.Most politicians get benefited from this since they are covered under this creamy layer. Frustrated FC go abroad to get more education and get better job. So any reservation once provided for a person once should be noted in their ID and he should be considered as a forward community and must be removed from the list of backward. Once this is done the no. of people to be uplifted will go on coming down. No repetition of benefits to an individual will be allowed.
Apart from this now there is one more threat. Politicians insist private sectors to give reservation in their companies. Since this will directly hit their bottom line, no company will agree to this.
The fact is students get compus selection if they dont have arrears and get good marks, but those from these reserved categories(I mean majority, there may be exceptions) fail to enter throught this campus selection due to their disqualification. Hence it is evident that they dont utilise the seat given based on reservation policy.
Something has to be done to note this post effect of providing reservation and make entry into the respective ID.
ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS !!

Hi Krithika,
A very apt topic for now.
I would say reservation in any kind except based on economical status is not acceptable. Forget abt caste, but I would also see reservation based on gender.....based on no. of siblings......based on ex-servicemen etc. Its only helping brain drain ...... with so many reservations, in a few years we will only be seeing the unreseved (minority) moving to other countries in search of better options.
Now a days with booming software and Pharma companies, the issues are becoming grave with the demand of politician to have reservation in service industries also......you might have noticed the Indian market sensex going a record below with these kind of issues.......think, who will like to invest in a country where the money is not in safe hands.....
I would like to raise one more question, how many of these politicians who are demanding reservations, would like to be treated by a reserved category doctor....why do these politicians every time goes to foreign countries for treatment......just in fear of these reserved cat. docs or what......
Why we are failing behind......we are a mass of populations from which now probably 80% comes under reservations......
I feel sick abt these political games and who will ring the bell when govt. fall due to raise in Onion price.......who would like to loose their territory forever raising these issues......
regards.

Dear kitchuppa,

Well said.

The only problem with id card is that ,we don't have permanant id card.I have seen people carrying more than 2 cards.Once they change the residence ,they apply for a new card and card is issued without checking the previous status.

Govt brought the very good scheme of voter id card, but i am sure not if it works.
Many people use the new id card for voting purpose and other cards for other purposes.

ONLY If the govt can bring a security no like they have in United states,your suggestion will hold good.

Even then , if someone come forward against the caste based reservation,immediately all agitations will start.The politicians will loose the votes, if they talk against the caste based reservation.

So பூனைக்கு யாரும் மணி கட்ட முன் வர மாட்டார்கள்.

It is our fate.

Originally Posted by Kitchuppa

Hi vkrithika,
I am happy to be instrumental to inspire you to open this thread. Really the need for such reservation policy based on economic status has come. Otherwise there will be continued brain drain from India.
If economic status based reservation comes into effect there are suitable ways to make it more meaningful. The total cross section consisting of all the castes will get benefited, if they qualify for a minimum requirement on their academic record.
With the introduction of voters card the ID of every individual can be traceable and can be put on to the network to completely trace his status in society. If Govt. and Politicians are serious this can be done within a span of a sensus period. There will be full willingness of all the public since the real needy will be benefited and there are more people still under the poverty line. Probably this will increase the percentage of voting during our election.
In the present system of reservation only creamy layer of backward who got the benefits repeatedly get more and more benefits and this is not understood by the really needy backward people.Most politicians get benefited from this since they are covered under this creamy layer. Frustrated FC go abroad to get more education and get better job. So any reservation once provided for a person once should be noted in their ID and he should be considered as a forward community and must be removed from the list of backward. Once this is done the no. of people to be uplifted will go on coming down. No repetition of benefits to an individual will be allowed.
Apart from this now there is one more threat. Politicians insist private sectors to give reservation in their companies. Since this will directly hit their bottom line, no company will agree to this.
The fact is students get compus selection if they dont have arrears and get good marks, but those from these reserved categories(I mean majority, there may be exceptions) fail to enter throught this campus selection due to their disqualification. Hence it is evident that they dont utilise the seat given based on reservation policy.
Something has to be done to note this post effect of providing reservation and make entry into the respective ID.
ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS !!

Dear meeta,

Reservation for ex-service men is definitely needed.THey are suffering for us.
There is no other way by which we can show our gratitude.
THeir children are suffering a lot because of frequent change of residence.
We should never even think of cutting their benefit.
THey deserve it. Sorry this is

If they introduce the caste based reservation in private sector, I don't know the future for our children.I really feel pity for them.God only can help our children.

Originally Posted by Meeta

Hi Krithika,
A very apt topic for now.
I would say reservation in any kind except based on economical status is not acceptable. Forget abt caste, but I would also see reservation based on gender.....based on no. of siblings......based on ex-servicemen etc. Its only helping brain drain ...... with so many reservations, in a few years we will only be seeing the unreseved (minority) moving to other countries in search of better options.
Now a days with booming software and Pharma companies, the issues are becoming grave with the demand of politician to have reservation in service industries also......you might have noticed the Indian market sensex going a record below with these kind of issues.......think, who will like to invest in a country where the money is not in safe hands.....
I would like to raise one more question, how many of these politicians who are demanding reservations, would like to be treated by a reserved category doctor....why do these politicians every time goes to foreign countries for treatment......just in fear of these reserved cat. docs or what......
Why we are failing behind......we are a mass of populations from which now probably 80% comes under reservations......
I feel sick abt these political games and who will ring the bell when govt. fall due to raise in Onion price.......who would like to loose their territory forever raising these issues......
regards.

Hi ILs,
This is a very good topic.

I am an FC - not by choice I assure you and financially a middle class person. I currently live in the US of A and I am un-mindful of how caste impacts every day life of Indians in India... but it is always there.
Some times when our Indians friends meet there are discussions of caste (this is very rare and Indians abroad are like Ostriches to most Indian predicaments... we are too busy comparing jobs, houses, cars (this is america folks) and children's talents and trying to run down other Indians at the work place to please the American (gorey) bosses). But such discussions do happen and they evoke very emotional responses... I am mostly shocked!!!
The other day my husband was called a "fc" bastard by an Indian man in an Indian restaurant just because my husband was signing the guest book before him!!!

We plan to return to India (in 3- 4 years!!!) and I am terrified of the options that will be available for my son.

The political scenario in India has to change... the educated middle class needs to take more interest in Politics if any of the unacceptable situations in India will change.

In my opionion the Indian Govt.'s reservation system is a strong indication that the Govt of India is not Secular... even though we proclaim from the roof tops that we are Secular!!!!

The private companies in India are a boon to the FC folks as they recruit based on merit... but reservation will ruin it...
Brain drain might seem the only solution....

just my - Gayathri