A Conversation To Set U Thinking About Maya

Bhakta: I have heard about heaven and hell. Is it true?

Aya: What do you think?

Bhakta: Many religion has talked about heaven and hell. So it must be
true. Surely the bad people must be punished.

Aya: Don't you see many handicapped, diseased and souls born into
pitiful conditions around you?

Bhakta: Yes.

Aya: Why must some souls be borne into such conditions while some are
born into good conditions?

Bhakta: Perhaps it is due to their evil deeds of their past.

Aya: If they have already suffered in hell or enjoyed in heaven, they
have already paid their due. Thereafter what is the need to get
punished by being borne into pitiful conditions? Is this not
injustice?

Bhakta: So you mean heaven and hell is in this earth itself.

Aya: Yes it is. And we have the capacity to change it. If people shed
their ignorance and help each other, thereafter the hellish
conditions will be reduced for many souls. By doing such we ourselves
rise in spirit (towards Iraivan). But to do this one has to sacrifice
one's wealth and effort. One has to share it. This many are wont to
do.

Bhakta: I have seen in some Puranams and even the Buddhistic
teachings describing hell. I have seen the drawings (illustrations)
of hell in it.

Aya: How is it described?

Bhakta: They have people cast into pans of boiling oil.

Aya: How do they heat up the pan? Is there any drawing of such?

Bhakta: They put a big pan and there's fire beneath it.

Aya: What else is illustrated?

Bhakta: People are also being cut by saw. In some they are bitten by
snakes or creatures, cut by axe and so on.

Aya: Whatever you have described actually are just imaginings. Even
in fantasy stories the authors have imagined creatures devouring
humans and so on. In those days people used the firewood to cook
food. Nowadays they use microwave oven. So why don't these hell
denizens be burnt in microwave instead. Also according to these
illustrations they use axes and other crude weapons to hurt the poor
souls. These are according to the tools used by men on earth at the
time. Nowadays men use electric chainsaw and guns. So the denizens of
hell also should upgrade accordingly, ha, ha, haa...

Listen. Beings in Mayai need shakti from jadam (gross fleshy body) to
think, act and perform its actions. Can you see without your eyes?

Bhakta: I can imagine with closed eyes.

Aya: Okay, so if I pluck out your eyes will you be able to maneuver
the roads or go to any place without any aid at all?

Bhakta: No...I guess.

Aya: You will never be able too. Likewise without the tongue, without
the physical ears and so on, the embodied souls will not be able to
function. Without gaining mukthi, they will be like in deep sleep
after death (unaware of anything, even one's own self). Even now the
soul inhabits the body and can't see without the eyes. With the loss
of the physical body in death, how will it be able to see then?
Likewise too if I damage your brains you will not be able to think.
With death the body will get destroyed. So how will the soul think
and feel. Understand the truth of this and forsake such silly beliefs.

Today the men of 'heaven and hell' religions are fighting with each
other in the middle-east. Each thinks he is the rightful heir of the
promised heaven in the afterlife. Due to this much oil, resources and
manpower are wasted. The economy by large will start to be affected.
So understand the foolishness of all this.

The bishops and pastors were sunk in ignorance. In the past they
burnt innocent women as witches and persecuted the masses. All this
happened during the 'Dark Ages'. They even persecuted Gallileo who
declared the world to be round. All this is more startling
considering it was carried out by the church fathers (holy men) who
were constantly pondering and living the life dictated by the bible.

Yet if you turn the annals of European history you will come to know
that the church is the main reason for establishing darkness of
ignorance. The Renaissance philosophers and artists dared to change
by again consulting Pagan works. These are the works by the earlier
Europeans who were in truth influenced by the earlier Dravidians. The
church fathers have branded these works as Pagan.

Hence the mythology of the Greeks and Romans are similar to the
Dravidians. The Greeks and Romans laid the seed of logic, reasoning,
debates, mathematics, philosophy and so on. If man were to have
continuously progressed from there on, mankind would have reached
greater heights. But due to the mind-clamping religious dogma adopted
by the power hungry rulers, the land sunk into a period of darkness
called the Dark Ages. The Renaissance happened when the thinkers
again consulted the Pagan works (Greeco-Roman) of their earlier
forefathers. The church tried to suppress this initially, but due to
the rise of Islam lost their degree of influence. Largely due to this
fact only men got hold of the Pagan works and started to think again.
Knowledge is built on knowledge alone. Science is the tool to
understand the external world. Likewise spirituality is the tool to
explore the internal world. Unlike the Indians, the Europeans did not
have caste and creed baggage. Hence they united and overthrew those
who oppressed them. They set sail and ruled the world.

But what happened to us? Even though we are the ones who set sail
first and therefore could monopolize trade and capital, we became
beleaguered due to caste and creed. We even have Sastras (book of
Manu) which condemns travel of seas. Then how could have the Chola
kings sailed till the Malayas? And understand that Hindu kingdoms
were already established in Srivijaya and Majapahit when the Chola's
fleet reached here. As such it must be understood that the Dravidians
even sailed before that. This was long before Christianity and Islam
were even born.

(Silence)

Understand that for beings without mukthi they will be cast again to
this world of Mayai with rebirth. There is no such imaginary hell or
heaven anywhere. Only by rebirth they will experience the fruits of
their actions and could pursue their desires. Different souls have
different desires according to its free will. In pursuing its desires
it will succumb to selfish exploitation and manipulative ways if it
heeds the anava. Thereafter it suffers the consequences.

Only by attaining mukthi one is liberated from this cycle. Thereafter
one doesn't need the jadam (physical world) to express one's atmic
nature. As far as one is concerned, the attachment to the physical
world is destroyed forever. This is the symbolic Shiva Tandava (dance
of destruction by Shiva).

Hi Sunkan,

Great one. . I totally agree to this. If people believe in rebirth, then they would be extra careful while keeping every step in their life.

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