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Joint Family
Posted 10th March 2008 at 10:22 AM by Anandchitra
Friends : I am writing this for a special request from my son. He is very fascinated on this topic and would love to hear more. Please do share your experiences too and make this more memorable to read and learn.
A Hindu Joint Family is an extended family arrangement prevalent among Hindus of the Indian subcontinent, consisting of many generations living under the same roof. All the male members are blood relatives and all the women are either mothers, wives, unmarried daughters, or widowed relatives, all bound by the common sapinda relationship. The joint family status being the result of birth, possession of joint cord that knits the members of the family together is not property but the relationship. The family is headed by a patriarch, usually the oldest male, who makes decisions on economic and social matters on behalf of the entire family. The patriarch's wife generally exerts control over the kitchen, child rearing and minor religious practices. All money goes to the common kitty and all property is held jointly.
A daughter cannot remain the member of her father’s family after her marriage and the sisters, though they were once entitled to a share in the property, would lose their right and would be entitled to only maintenance until their marriage and their marriage expenses. A joint family may consist of a single male member and widows of the deceased male members and the property of the family does not cease to belong to the joint family merely because the family is represented by a single coparcener who possesses rights which an absolute owner of the property may possess. (Source Wikipedia)
The earliest I can remember of a joint family was when my paternal grand father passed away and my grandmother came to live with us. As she was the eldest of 12 siblings, we had an eternal flow of cousins, uncles and aunts come to our house. And most of them did stay for atleast a few days at a time.
Most of the big decisions were always consulted with grandmother before it was confirmed. It was more seen on issues like marraiges. As soon as a horoscope is matched , uncles and aunts would start trickling in. This could be due to the fact that we did not have telephones at the time. And imagine how many people would go see the "girl". And even more imagine the heated discussions ensuing after "girl seeing" visit. That would never cease and thats where grandmother and other elders stepped in to narrow down on selection. And making the decision.
I even remember very early how we used to buy big gunny bags of rice, wheat etc and then distribute between family and relatives. And ofcourse the appalams and vadams. My grandmother used to make such big batches of these wonder foods to share with all relatives. Some relatives would even contribute bags of chilli or even oil cans.
I even remember when my paternal grandfather passed away every ceremony associated was done at my place. Needless to say there used to be no place for me to sit and study.Most of these good relations did start to change when the children start to grow up. They would then question why their parent was referring to someone else's mom or dad and in this case reference to my grandmother ofcourse. And this would go even further when the kids started earning. The split between families would start to widen though the elders did keep in touch and they understood the changes. It really was a unique environment because the whole family does raise the child and the child gets the benefit of so many people around and so many cousins to fight and play with.
These days with small families being the norm, are our age old customs gone or dwindling away rapidly?
A Hindu Joint Family is an extended family arrangement prevalent among Hindus of the Indian subcontinent, consisting of many generations living under the same roof. All the male members are blood relatives and all the women are either mothers, wives, unmarried daughters, or widowed relatives, all bound by the common sapinda relationship. The joint family status being the result of birth, possession of joint cord that knits the members of the family together is not property but the relationship. The family is headed by a patriarch, usually the oldest male, who makes decisions on economic and social matters on behalf of the entire family. The patriarch's wife generally exerts control over the kitchen, child rearing and minor religious practices. All money goes to the common kitty and all property is held jointly.
A daughter cannot remain the member of her father’s family after her marriage and the sisters, though they were once entitled to a share in the property, would lose their right and would be entitled to only maintenance until their marriage and their marriage expenses. A joint family may consist of a single male member and widows of the deceased male members and the property of the family does not cease to belong to the joint family merely because the family is represented by a single coparcener who possesses rights which an absolute owner of the property may possess. (Source Wikipedia)
The earliest I can remember of a joint family was when my paternal grand father passed away and my grandmother came to live with us. As she was the eldest of 12 siblings, we had an eternal flow of cousins, uncles and aunts come to our house. And most of them did stay for atleast a few days at a time.
Most of the big decisions were always consulted with grandmother before it was confirmed. It was more seen on issues like marraiges. As soon as a horoscope is matched , uncles and aunts would start trickling in. This could be due to the fact that we did not have telephones at the time. And imagine how many people would go see the "girl". And even more imagine the heated discussions ensuing after "girl seeing" visit. That would never cease and thats where grandmother and other elders stepped in to narrow down on selection. And making the decision.
I even remember very early how we used to buy big gunny bags of rice, wheat etc and then distribute between family and relatives. And ofcourse the appalams and vadams. My grandmother used to make such big batches of these wonder foods to share with all relatives. Some relatives would even contribute bags of chilli or even oil cans.
I even remember when my paternal grandfather passed away every ceremony associated was done at my place. Needless to say there used to be no place for me to sit and study.Most of these good relations did start to change when the children start to grow up. They would then question why their parent was referring to someone else's mom or dad and in this case reference to my grandmother ofcourse. And this would go even further when the kids started earning. The split between families would start to widen though the elders did keep in touch and they understood the changes. It really was a unique environment because the whole family does raise the child and the child gets the benefit of so many people around and so many cousins to fight and play with.
These days with small families being the norm, are our age old customs gone or dwindling away rapidly?
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| | Hi AC, A very neat analysis of joint family system. Yeah i think we were the last generation which actually saw the whole family with all the uncles and aunts living together. Also we dont see such large families also now, isnt it,....many of us have stopped with one child. My daughter always asks whom will her children call as mamas and athais!? Relevant question....soon such relationships will also dwindle, we may forget also all these names. But maybe all this is the so called fast development of the society isnt it.....these things happen and we have all become scattered, maybe get together once in a way in a wedding and renew our relationships, make promises to stay in touch and visit! Well i had my best childhood, ....my father had so many sisters and brothers and spent many holidays with all of them and so many cousins. But the children now , they all seem so isolated! SAD! But is there any solution!? I wonder...... |
Posted 10th March 2008 at 05:52 PM by sudhavnarasimhan |
| | Even if you be the only to reply it is a GEM of a reply dear Sudha.. So very well put in words..thanks for sharing.. |
Posted 10th March 2008 at 06:43 PM by Anandchitra |
| | Hi AC: This one is dear to my heart since I have lived in a few of the joint families. Initially, I lived with my paternal grandparents and aunts. And later on, maternal grandparents and uncles. I was young then but I have good memories of being a part of the joint families. So many cousins to play and share with. You have friends for life there. I wouldn't say the same held good for the adults though. Joint families are probably great for children to grow up in but as you become adults, you want to spread your wings, so it becomes difficult I guess. But the system does teach you to adjust, compromise and share. They are becoming a thing of past definitely - with migration to greener pastures - rural India to urban India, education, etc. But can you hold onto it .....No. Wish there was a way though. Sindhu |
Posted 10th March 2008 at 07:02 PM by Sindhurao |
| | You have also written so well in your reply dear Sindhu.. Its an unique setting..even if there is disputes among elders or co sisters or sisters inlaw .. Thanks for writing here. |
Posted 10th March 2008 at 09:10 PM by Anandchitra |
| | dear AC, i have lived in one and so know the nuances of the feeling expressed by you here, there are plus and minus to this being together and many a time sibling rivalry is the main cause of fight among parents when the cousins fight the elders join in to show their pent up feelings and yes my grandfather used to buy dry chillies and tamarind for the entire lot of family in bags, and oil used to be 50 paise a kilo and that too has tobe well used, we had cows in the back yard and running around with the calf is real fun, i remember when the curd used to become sour they used to throw it away in the gutter a big vesself full my god to day to think of it what a waste it was, as none would eat, and so on..thanku for the rewind button effect u gave me..sunkan |
Posted 10th March 2008 at 10:01 PM by sunkan |
| | Thank You more for sharing here..dear Sundari.. why did they throw away the sour curds..we used to moorkuzhambu, or more famously "kalan".. my grandmas kalan is something to die for !! and oh I forgot to add grinding in the ammi or kaloral ... |
Posted 10th March 2008 at 10:12 PM by Anandchitra |
| | Dear AC, A nice write up on our value based system. When I got married I had put my foot down that I would like to have a big family with me but it was not a very big family but till date we are leaving in the joint family with my mil and fil with us. Recently my married sil also has joined here due to personal problems in her marriage. But the best part in joint family system (JFS) is for the kids, they are pampered a lot by their GPs and morally guided. They do not miss their parents. Whenever the DIL falls sick etc the family is there to look after with affecting the smooth functioning and not to mention the economics of being in JFS is great. There are disadvantages also like no privacy, independance etc but I will always vouch that JFS is the best. It is from my personal experience. I have been living as a neutral family during my dh's transfers but I still enjoy the JFS and wish all new DIL realise that in the long run this will help us more. |
Posted 11th March 2008 at 12:40 AM by Lalitha Shivaguru |
| | Dear AC I should compliment you for a very meaningful analysis of JFS. It is sad that we are moving away from this time-tested way of life. If you see National Geographic channel, you'll realise that every other living being continues to live in groups. During my Sabari Malai trips, my Gurusamy used to tell us that there was no need to fear a herd of elephants but if an elephant was sighted alone, we must run for safety! We are becoming more and more self-centered that we have started considering the JFS a burden particularly when there is a disparity in the income earning capabilities of the individual constituents of the family. I dont want to sound offensive but the demand for breaking away from JFS generally emanates from the women of the household. This used to be the fulcrum around which many a family story used to be spun in the fifties and sixties by eminent writers! People of Chettinad despite being spread all over the globe make it a point to have all their festivities in their native place as it gives them an opportunity to congregate together as frequently as possible. This is one of the reasons why the culture of Chettinad continues to be preserved in tact till today. The modern thinking is that independence is more essential and that the JFS can never permit that. We believe in making even our infant children to be on their own in their rooms! JFS is more prevalent in North India particularly in Rajasthan which explains their rich cultural heritage remaining intact. JFS may be difficult to follow in the modern context but no one can deny the benefits of this system! Sri |
Posted 11th March 2008 at 05:17 AM by Cheeniya |
| | AC, JFS is a beautiful concept of living. I am from a nuclear family. I missed lot of this, but after marriage I lived in a joint family for 8 years which later became almost nuclear with bil moving to germany and we moving to gulf. now my fil stays with me. You need to have more patience, less of "I", mutual respect and understanding for the concept to work. there is more give and take in this. but the advantages are more , like the kids have the grandparents to teach them the heritage and other things. I feel today, with the ego's, self centric attitudes, the jfs will become a curse to the person's involved. |
Posted 11th March 2008 at 06:08 AM by Shanvy |
| | Hi Anandchitra This post woke up that corner of my heart which was buried for some time dear. I am also that person who grew up in a joint family. with so many uncles and aunties around with all the cousins. I am a person who cannot stay alone as I am brought up in a hugh family. after i got married always stayed alone till now. I know there are always plus and minus. Especially when you fall sick and all, that time you want your family with you, When you are happy in sometthing you wish to share with them. but now it has to be done in this small family. It is not that the whole family is not with you but joint family has a different happiness. It is not that today's generation doesn't want to enjoy this, but since they r brought up to be alone, and to a certain extend I feel even we are at fault,becoz of the transfers getting job in another place etc etc... Even today i long for a JFS. |
Posted 11th March 2008 at 08:09 AM by Arunarc |
| | My dear friend Aruna..WOW how beautifully you said it..and again about our transfers.. how we move from place to place..our jobs.. |
Posted 11th March 2008 at 09:23 AM by Anandchitra |
| | Shanthi my young friend you summed it up so well. There should be no I and more of give and take..and children really benefit more. My son has been asking me to write as he finds this very interesting. Also like I said the eldest son takes over the household etc.. Only when he asks questions do I look at it in a different angle.. Thank you for sharing.. |
Posted 11th March 2008 at 09:38 AM by Anandchitra |
| | Women are the reason many joint families did not make it through..rightly said Sri. I am sure you might remember there used to be atime when no one could question the authority of the father or even dream of doing so.. Remember "BAMA Vijayam" I think that portrays so well how women make or break the joint families..Once they can understand its in their vested interests it would work. Most women do not have the patience or the mind set to be more broad minded and less egocentric. I still see some chettinad friends maintain the ties across the globe..maybe this is an effect of their upbringing.. |
Posted 11th March 2008 at 09:55 AM by Anandchitra |
| | Dear AC, Thank you for reopening this topic again. I had discussed this matter long time back in one of my threads on the topic " Nuclear and joint family system." The joint family system had almost gone to oblivion. Though ours is anuclear family because my husband was the only son and he has one elder sister, but my mil stayed with me from the time I got married until her death. PS |
Posted 11th March 2008 at 09:56 AM by Pushpavalli Srinivasan |
| | Your reply shows how mature your mind is my dear Lalitha. It requires that level of maturity to be able to make it a success and help make this happen. Like you say the kids benefit a lot. Also for anything to be successful both parties have to come halfway so you are truly blessed that its working for you my friend. |
Posted 11th March 2008 at 09:58 AM by Anandchitra |
| | Thanks for reading Pushpavalli..i am sorry I did not read your thread earlier.. It is nice that you had your motherin law stay with your family so you could all take care of her well.. |
Posted 11th March 2008 at 12:02 PM by Anandchitra |
| | AC, I begin with a statutory warning !What I write is strictly my personal experience. In my life, I have experienced the benefits of a joint family.I entered V's joint family as a bride.Everything about my in-laws' family was different from the way, I was brought up. They were very orthodox, very traditional, very conservative etc etc. My MIL had a lot of preconceived notions about me (know not why) & perhaps, I had my own share of fears & apprehensions that I must get a good name, befitting the way I was brought up by my parents. That was the first lesson for me in life that "adjustment" in every sphere is most important. I learnt the art of compromising in life, with people, situations... the list is long.I learnt to accept people as they are and not how I want them to be. I realised that compatibility was not one sided & I worked hard for it from my end in my interaction with every in-law..They also learnt a lot about me and after we branched of, from the joint family, the relationship continued & still continues to be smooth. My children became very close to aunts, uncles, cousins etc, which has benefited them richly in life. But now situations have changed and I do not know if I am correct in saying that values of life have also changed.Everybody has less patience ! Love, Chithra. |
Posted 12th March 2008 at 02:15 AM by Chitvish |
| | Dear Chithra mami, Though you are very senior to us you have penned down what I have faced when i got married so beautifully. It is very difficult to adjust when one is brought very liberally and goes into an orthodox family and MILs always have a preconceived notions (no offences meant) about DIL. I can pat my back (as there is nobody to do for me) that I have succeeded till now (almost 13 yrs) and the going is still strong!!!!!!! |
Posted 12th March 2008 at 03:12 AM by Lalitha Shivaguru |
| | Thanks Lalitha for joining me in my thoughts.J F teaches a lot of lessons, some harsh, some bitter but all valuable in life.But we tend to look at only the negative points mainly. I wrote this only to imply that I did gain a lot in life, having lived in a J F. Love, Chithra. |
Posted 12th March 2008 at 04:21 AM by Chitvish |
| | Dear AC, When I went to my matenal gandmother's place it was one big picnic for me. That was a huge family with my Granddad, his dad and brothersnad Granddad's father. grand old man. It was such good fun growing up together that even today when we meet , it's like my God! what joy it was. All of us going on outings together and palnning our time of arrival form different parts of the south was one awesome experience. They used to be huge ration storage drums in our ancestral home and all of us would play hide and seek around it, buying movie tickets and ice creams at one go for around 15 kids was some job for the elders who offered to take us out. Wonderful it was, thanks for taking me down memory lane!!! |
Posted 13th March 2008 at 01:54 AM by Jananikrithsan |
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